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Post by .:Shinigami:. on Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:37 pm

hmm, during those era, seppuku is considered a VERY honourable thing to do when you commit mistakes as they thought if they do that, thay can actually protect their pride and reduce their sins.
do you think it is good practice during those days?

cz i think life is valuable no matter how bad the person is. once u're dead there's nothing else u can do to redeem ur mistakes/sins.


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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by house88kend on Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:29 am

Agreed, I wonder if the traditions were practiced till today, I wonder what will happen to the World today because I believe in this century the traditions will be spread to other parts of the world! Shocked
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Thu May 01, 2008 12:19 pm

There many different traditions of various cultures and i think it would'nt spread that far from its origin .. unless people are that untrustworthy to giveup their original tradiotion and change it with a new one ..
BUT my idea about the traditions overall is different .. i want to build new ones and not follow the old blindly for the rest of our lives .. don't you think so?
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by Sa~cHan on Fri May 02, 2008 12:02 am

Yaya...sure...we can create a new culture..but it'll be hard...coz we hv our own thinking from the old culture..
Do U know that in Japan even a kindergarten kid can suicide coz he is failed to do smthg...a lot of Japanese suicide coz failed or disappointed others... huh
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Fri May 02, 2008 3:38 am

Sa~cHan wrote:Yaya...sure...we can create a new culture..but it'll be hard...coz we hv our own thinking from the old culture..
Do U know that in Japan even a kindergarten kid can suicide coz he is failed to do smthg...a lot of Japanese suicide coz failed or disappointed others... huh
only saying that is enough to deeply shock anyone .. why would someone give up his life just because he failed in something within it .. or rather most successes are the born of catastrophic failures .. or so i believe.
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by .:Shinigami:. on Fri May 02, 2008 9:07 pm

cause, japanese people care about their pride, so to them, pride is something a lot valuable than their life.
they have this concept where by if they made a mistake, they will disgrace their family, that is why they commit suicide in order to protect their family's name.
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Sat May 03, 2008 4:02 am

.:Shinigami:. wrote:cause, japanese people care about their pride, so to them, pride is something a lot valuable than their life.
they have this concept where by if they made a mistake, they will disgrace their family, that is why they commit suicide in order to protect their family's name.
taking the easy way out? where's the word "living" in that "challenge" then? cheh huh
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by .:Shinigami:. on Sun May 04, 2008 1:50 am

hmm, that's how ancient people think i guess =/
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by house88kend on Sun May 04, 2008 2:45 am

Maybe you are right...haha Wink
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Sun May 04, 2008 11:00 am

house88kend wrote:Maybe you are right...haha Wink
*poking* and maybe not! :p ,lol ,but now i think about it i try not to follow any tradition as a belief strong enough to hurt me but ... ah how should i say it .. i feel like an idiot for following something that its surroundings has changed greatly .. i mean where not in the era of samurai ,not any more ...
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by house88kend on Tue May 06, 2008 5:24 pm

Hahahahaha...age of th technologies...and finalyl back to Samurai... god
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by .:Shinigami:. on Tue May 06, 2008 11:37 pm

im proud of those samurais actually LOL
they're willing to risk anything to get their job done.
and this tradition actually disciplined them.
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Thu May 08, 2008 11:27 pm

No body is not proud of his/her ancestors anyway ...
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Post by house88kend on Mon May 12, 2008 6:23 pm

Archail wrote:No body is not proud of his/her ancestors anyway ...

Yeap..this makes us very very proud! Very Happy
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Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Mon May 12, 2008 7:50 pm

house88kend wrote:
Archail wrote:No body is not proud of his/her ancestors anyway ...

Yeap..this makes us very very proud! Very Happy
Gate of Babylon.
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by .:Shinigami:. on Tue May 13, 2008 12:11 am

haha, that's true~

but then again...if we're not proud of our ancestors....why are we still keeping and preserving ancient artefacts and architectural monuments?
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Wed May 14, 2008 1:35 pm

.:Shinigami:. wrote:haha, that's true~

but then again...if we're not proud of our ancestors....why are we still keeping and preserving ancient artefacts and architectural monuments?
Like i said ,Gate of Babylon it's in the loufer(i don't know the speeling) in Paris ... T,T sad but true ...
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by jonjon87 on Sun May 25, 2008 2:48 am

haha I dont agree with the act of killing urself when u failed in something. Many years back, i remember turning on tv at late night, and saw this movie, don't know whether its english or japanese. Its about a japanese princess kidnapped by foreigners, the samurais protecting her decided to kill themselves, but 1 samurai did not...reason?So that he could be kidnapped together witht he princess and have a chance to save her another day.


It reminds me about second chances that God gave us, one mistake doesn't mean u'll fall down all the way. Although that samurai was cursed by his comrades but in the end he's the one who saved the princess. Pride can be very dangerous hehehe, sometimes we gotta embrace humility then only.....something will be done...

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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Sun May 25, 2008 2:50 am

maybe like Last Samurai xD ... i respect that act but never believe it should be done for any reason ...
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by 只ri $hinichi on Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:43 am

jonjon87 wrote:haha I dont agree with the act of killing urself when u failed in something. Many years back, i remember turning on tv at late night, and saw this movie, don't know whether its english or japanese. Its about a japanese princess kidnapped by foreigners, the samurais protecting her decided to kill themselves, but 1 samurai did not...reason?So that he could be kidnapped together witht he princess and have a chance to save her another day

It reminds me one of the quote from Kyo Kara Maoh, Konrado always tell Yuri that he's willing to die for him n this make Yuri very Mad n said to him that, heng " If u have the will of dying, why can't u have the will of living n serving for me using all your capable lifetime? " (I don't remember that precisely, have to re-watch again lol! )
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Re: VERY OLD tradition ~ SEPPUKU

Post by jonjon87 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:21 am

ohhhh hahaha....is kyo kara maoh an anime? lol hehehehe nice?

Moral lesson of this thread : don't kill yourself no matter what happens
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Post by 只ri $hinichi on Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:36 pm

> jonjon87, do you check the anime list topic in our foum here, how can u don know it?? ~sigh~
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Post by Irony on Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:49 pm

I despise the whole idea of killing yourself over some mistake you made. Ever heard of redemption?

Sure, if it's a sin rather than a mistake, it would be different because if it can be atoned, it's not truly a sin, so redemption is meaningless there. But if that's the case, death would be an equally meaningless choice.

And what's this about Pride? Last time I checked, Pride is the First Deadly Sin. It's ironic how one tries to wash away a sin with another sin. Knights are just as honorable as the samurais, but at least they don't kill themselves when there's still a princess to save.

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Post by jonjon87 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:23 pm

只ri $hinichi wrote:> jonjon87, do you check the anime list topic in our foum here, how can u don know it?? ~sigh~
I did not...hehehe obvious right hehehehe
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Post by lichgriffin@yahoo.com on Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:09 pm

I think afterall ,it's only a matter of priorities ,some people just make their duties their first priorities ,that's all.
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